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Look, in this pro forma invoice, it’s mentioned that the height is 12 meters, but the places where we can secure it are 4.70 meters and 4 meters approximately. So, you have one section that is 4.70 meters and another that is 4 meters, right? This requires a stronger span; a 12-metشer span won’t work for your project. We need to increase the material strength. The items listed for you are routine for Curtyfal, but they become unconventional and need calculations. We haven’t seen those calculations here. We need to calculate and see if a 12 mm mullion can suffice or if we need an 18 mm mullion, or something else.Based on our experience, for the 4-meter height, you definitely need a 17-18 mm mullion. For 4.70 meters, we should use 20 mm mullions. If we go for the 4.70 meters, we need to ensure it is level, no steps. But we still need to calculate whether 16 mm would suffice or if we need a different system.
For a system like this, we would first do the steel framework, then add an aluminum profile, install the glass, and finally cover it with a 40×80 aluminum profile. The base cap system isn’t related to the rain screen, so you can use the 12 mm mullion mentioned in the pro forma invoice and still use the base cap system. This gives a 5 cm aluminum appearance from the outside.
Did you send us any documentation, like plans or current conditions? What have you sent us? Please send some recent photos of the current state, both inside and outside, so we can assess whether we have a ceiling plate and what needs to be done.
Our suggestion is to conduct research about our company and then we can move forward together, building trust over a month. If possible, buy the glass yourself and deliver it to the project site, which would be easier for us. The responsibility for transporting glass worth millions is significant. For instance, transporting glass worth 200 million Tomans with a 10 million Tomans fee isn’t worth the risk if it breaks during transit.
If the mistake is from the factories or from us, we are to blame. If the mistake is significant, that ten million is gone. For two hundred meters of glass, we can’t make more than 5 or 10 million in profit, which isn’t profit but our responsibility fee. My experience suggests either fully delegate it to the executive manager or your contractor. If you are confident, we are relieved; these minor headaches won’t bother you. A small problem can cause so much pressure that one might be troubled for a week or two.
From the beginning to the end, when they gave you a preliminary invoice, didn’t they send it item by item? Look at the preliminary invoice we gave you… In item one, we wrote providing six-millimeter laminated double-glazed glass… and six-millimeter clear transparent glass. Two six-millimeter tempered glasses at this price.
See, the height there is 4 meters and 70. We must divide this height into at least two, right? Two meters and thirty-five in height. This glass height is two meters and thirty-five. It is possible to have two tempered glasses… There’s a cliff where you plan to build a glass wall, correct? You have a three-story building, right? That means you have three floors, and if you don’t put glass, someone might fall. Right? Either you need to build a parapet of one meter and ten centimeters in height or laminate the glass so that if someone hits the glass, it doesn’t break and they don’t fall out. The municipality says this has never happened, but they say it, and the fire department says that if you stand next to a window and something happens, the glass should not break entirely.
You can put a railing inside, whether iron or whatever, one meter and ten centimeters high. Either you need to put a railing or build a wall one meter and ten centimeters high so that your knee doesn’t hit the glass directly…
Ultimately, you install some metal railings screwed into the aluminum, and that will work.
Our discussion was about how much the total cost would be. Your glass costs 1,300,000 here, and you say you will buy the glass yourself. We say, go ahead and buy it. You might buy it for one million, three hundred less than our price. You can buy it yourself for 200 million, but the glass might crack after a year, which is natural. One or two years after installation, the glass might crack. We charge three hundred more, but for one or two glasses after a year, we replace them ourselves, costing us about ten to twenty thousand, and we take full responsibility.
For three years, whatever happens to your work, we do it at our expense for free. Additionally, when you deal with the factory, there are the headaches of knowing which factory provides you with what quality glass, and that’s our responsibility.
But let me add up your total cost. Consider that 2,300 as 1,300. It costs 4,650,000 with a 12-millimeter laminate. If this goes up, meaning if it has higher systems…
Does he call and follow up himself? Yes, he calls and probably can’t implement it himself, looking for someone to do it for him and help him. He’s also looking to reduce his costs. He’s the employer himself.
How much does that person earn otherwise? If they make that much money from this, they are doing the right thing. Suppose an office employee gets two million monthly. Now, if they make fifty to sixty million, they save ten million monthly. They are doing the right thing.
Did you call Abolfazl? Ask him to connect him to me if he calls. Yes, I think if you contact him, the price might be right. He likes to work, but he prefers to reduce costs. However, he wants to work and seeks to get an option from this side and another from that side.
Engineer, our job is building facades. We have a facade construction company, and for some of our projects, we need collaboration. Ms. Ghorbani contacted us a while ago. I saw her stories and thought we might be able to work together more.
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We are discussing a very large project, potentially needing around ten to fifteen thousand square meters of double façade. We are negotiating with them; we did their previous project. If this project is ours, we need to present some assets to them. A while ago, I spoke with the architect of this building. He said there is no titanium sheet in Iran; it’s very expensive and not produced in Iran. Turkey and other countries might have it. I can send you some English articles. We haven’t worked with it ourselves; we were just representatives of a company… I need a few things from you. See, their goal is titanium sheets. The client isn’t willing to spend money on workers but spends money on himself. For example, two years ago, we took one of his projects’ aluminum to Arak Aluminum Factory. He sold it for 120 million, and he considered us as well.
This person still owes 700-800 million from a few years ago, though it might be his right. We needed aluminum; we told the client to buy directly from the factory and not pay us. The money he would give me, I would have to spend at that factory, so take the responsibility off my shoulders. We took it to the factory, he sold the pipe, we took our commission, and it passed. Later, when we wanted to work on the windows, the factory itself connected with the client and gave him the windows. 700-800 million from those windows remained unpaid.
When you went there, the right way was to go with me or, if not, consider my commission. Ultimately, I was supposed to buy 100 tons of aluminum and sell 60-70 tons; now you sold 120 tons, so my share is…
We wanted to complete the information on this place. We said, we’ll bring it; whether you take the money or not is up to you. We provide the information. He’s not the kind of person to cheat, but he always thinks people are trying to trick him. He’s wealthy and self-made. We’ve worked with such people before. Even if he wants to proceed on his own, they are so busy that as long as we are working on this project, you can relax. We tell the client what to do and what not to do. But the good thing is that the project is significant and prestigious. We all have resumes, you have yours, and we have ours. But working on a high-profile project greatly helps. Think of it as a long-term investment; it might take one or two years to get your money from that person, but the project is massive.
Prices are very volatile now. See, when we took this person to Arak Aluminum Factory, I negotiated. This was three years ago. The client’s aluminum was sixty tons; he said he would buy thirty tons now with the money he had. Back then, thirty tons was one and a half billion. He said he would give one billion now, so I told him to get a guarantee check equivalent to one billion, as the factory would deliver the aluminum in two months. He got the guarantee check and gave it to me. It’s still with me. As far as I know, it was okay, but there were issues with the remaining balance. If I were aware, I would have either delayed the work or told the factory not to deliver until they got paid. Even so, they worked with that factory for about six to seven billion, and now 800 million is unpaid due to those issues. They claimed the work was expensive and all that.
We should tell this person that we can get this sheet. Our architect friend, who is in contact with the architect, can control the sheet’s design, type, and bends. They prefer titanium for its uniqueness. The architect wants to boast that a particular building was designed by a specific architect using titanium. The client is wealthy enough to spend billions on materials. We prefer to contract with you and work more together. Check if titanium, aluminum, or galvanized sheets are available. Our package will be ready in two weeks. Some samples are available; you can see them. Apparently, they want punched designs, logos, and branding for their organization.
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Let’s proceed with all of this together. I wanted to understand the work you do and your suggestions. Earlier, I was talking to the architect, and he mentioned titanium. I said I had only heard of titanium; I’ve never seen it up close, and I don’t know if it exists in Iran or not. Why titanium? He said it’s because of its shiny appearance, like a mirror. He has seen titanium in another country and analyzed it. I suggested various options to him. I said I want something mirror-like. He might be able to show us the analysis and how it’s plated.
We don’t know if its sale to Iran is prohibited; we need to find out. We suggest the client give us a discount if their information is complete, which it is. My work doesn’t involve titanium, and I don’t know where to source it from. If you can, research it and inform us. If it’s unavailable, we will propose alternatives.
We’ll tell the client that we can’t use titanium but can achieve the desired effect with iron or stainless steel, which are also strong materials. We can produce mirror-like finishes with these materials. Stainless steel can be used up to a certain thickness. My information might not be complete, but titanium has a bronze hue, and I’ve heard about its use in household appliances, like refrigerator bodies.
There’s a project in Iran using Mitsubishi’s titanium composite panels in a building on Shariati Street near Pasdaran. I’ll find a photo for you. Look at the tall buildings on the left when you reach Shariati from Hemmat. The client’s idea is to have such a façade; we can produce various shapes and patterns, and we suggest using laser welding for better results. We plan to connect two aluminum sheets, ensuring the corners are seamlessly joined, giving the appearance of a single piece.
I’m experienced in this field and have been working on such projects for many years. I seek to connect with a factory to enhance our capabilities and overcome any weaknesses in our work. This will improve our standing and ensure we can handle any project.
I have a sample project where we intended to create something with iron sheets. I’ll show you a picture; it was for a restaurant in Kish. We assembled it on-site with high precision and customization, reducing costs and ensuring quality. The connection must be strong to withstand impact, but we can achieve this with precise engineering and robust assembly methods.
Our work includes comprehensive services, from manufacturing to installation. We ensure high-quality connections and seamless integration of components. We can manage composite facades, providing the necessary designs and assembly for your projects.
No problem at all. The reason we don’t ship the sheets directly is to avoid damage during transport or careless handling by the crane operator. If the packaging is adequate, there’s no issue. You can take it with you; we will ensure proper packaging. If we reach that stage, we’ll provide you with a wooden crate for safe transport. When you reach the site, you just need to unpack it.
Regarding your question about creating a structure with iron, yes, we can certainly do that. We can handle shapes and dimensions as specified, like a 10-meter wide and 1.5-meter high structure. We can produce it in segments as required. You provide the plans, and we will fabricate it accordingly.
From a technical standpoint, we are well-equipped, and our team is skilled. We have handled projects that others couldn’t complete. We price our work based on the complexity and time required, ensuring high-quality output. We understand that clients want value for their money, and we ensure satisfaction.
For example, in the Andarzgoo project, I sent some pieces for pricing to Ms. Ghorbani. I wanted to compare the prices, and although we had other offers, hers was reasonable and didn’t cause any issues. We know the market well and ensure our pricing is competitive. We prioritize quality and precision in our work, and we are open to discussing pricing for each project to ensure mutual satisfaction.
We operate professionally and focus on delivering exceptional results. If we agree to work together, I’m confident we can achieve great things. I have a long-standing relationship with an aluminum factory, although we’ve faced challenges, we always resolve them and move forward.
Let’s discuss further; if you’re interested, we can go down to the workshop and review some samples and our processes. Our team is capable and experienced, ensuring we can handle any bending or fabrication required for your projects.
We are in the process of contracting with one or two factories for component manufacturing. They are very delicate. We don’t have it yet, but if we can, we will have a much finer bend, even if it looks like a very fine bend. However, in the construction industry, we have never had work that we could not do. So, in bending, which you are doing, where can we do it like these two galvanized ones? If you want to weld the sample right now, I can show it to you below, and then each project has its own price. You are supposed to make a profit, if you make a little more profit, you will be happier, and we will be happier. We have the price of aluminum sheet, aluminum sheet, I think it should be five hundred and four hundred colorless, and then we can make it shiny. We can’t analyze aluminum with color, but we can analyze it. If you want to make the style, we have to analyze it. We have to make it raw and produce the design. The analysis of the steel pattern can be done. The color of the steel pattern is also steel. However, the color does not match the way you think. Analysis is better in terms of teahouses. I’m talking about the steel pattern that we pay for. It needs to be watered. I saw that they pay for the iron place like steel. We can pay for the water of iron place, but we can’t shine it. I think I might have a sample of chrome above this work. This work is yours. This is our work. It’s more accurate now. We also want these. It doesn’t matter anymore. It doesn’t matter anymore, but for ourselves, when you beat those laboratory things, they are very sensitive, but it doesn’t matter. Now, this façade screws up and connects with something that is on the ceiling. Now it shows you the sandwich panels that mammoths have, but they don’t have screws and bolts, and more importantly, it has an arc. The sandwich panel should have an arc. You can’t just bend it. But there is a difference for this difference. This is another detail. This is another detail. In the middle, you can work without it, but the thickness is low pressure that you give. I ask you what thickness you want to hit that one meter and ………
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.It has a clip now that I’m going to bring to you so that you can see it, and they’re going to be zippered and locked together, and what’s on the ceiling is connected. Now it’s giving you a call on the other side like sandwich panels that mamos have, but there’s no screw and bolt, and more importantly, it has an arch. The sandwich panel can have an arch. You can’t bid on it, but it’s different for this pan, Sales meeting , Sales meeting , Sales meeting , Sales meeting.
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